David Allen & Dave Logan Call Replay

by Dave Logan on April 7, 2011

Of all the Call with David Allen 4/18/2011events we have done, this one means the most to me. David Allen and Getting Things Done made a profound impact on my life when I was Associate Dean of the Marshall School of Business. I was drowning in email and paperwork. I was discouraged, frustrated, and would wake up in the middle of the night thinking about everything I had to do.

At the same time John King and I were working on Tribal Leadership, I was implementing GTD in my life. I shamelessly advocate it every chance I get.

One of the goals of Getting Things Done is having a “mind like water,” ready to handle and adapt to anything. On the replay of the call below, David and I explored how to have a “tribe like water,” an organization that is nimble and ready for anything.

Warm Regards,
Dave Logan

Replay of David Allen and Dave Logan call

“Tribal Leadership should be required reading for anyone
in teams or with an interest in improving performance and
job satisfaction.”

- David Allen, Getting Things Done and Making It All Work


{ 6 comments… read them below or add one }

Dominic April 14, 2011 at 1:32 pm

Hi there, will this call be recorded? I may have a conflict but am very interested in the topic. I am a big fan of both topics and would love to hear more about integrating them!

Diane April 15, 2011 at 12:13 pm

Everyone will get an email with a link to listen to the recording afterwards. Be sure to sign up, above, to get on the list!

Diane Cunningham April 18, 2011 at 10:09 am

Epic!! Tribe Like Water – love it!!

Ritu Raj April 20, 2011 at 9:33 pm

I love GTD, however it does not really address – working with others. How can you prioritize the commitments that you make to others. In the world that we live in today, its all about working with others, hence Tribal Leadership — We need a system that keeps our commitments with others in existence, they maybe linguistic actions, but in a knowledge worker economy, we sit in front of our Email and not laying bricks. Love to have a conversation

Dan May 7, 2011 at 11:05 pm

For implementing GTD you can use this web application:


You can use it to manage your goals, projects and tasks, set next actions and contexts, use checklists, schedules and a calendar.
Syncs with Evernote, and also comes with mobile-web version, and Android and iPhone apps.

terry sharp June 30, 2011 at 1:33 am

Hi dave

This may be of interest to you we have been working on this concept for many years finally we finished and was surprised to see you work and find some interesting parallels. If you find this interesting please contact us.

Tribe Within

We have written a book Tribe within a concept that explores our intrinsic tribal nature and the effect it has upon us. This knowledge is as old as civilisation and intuitively used in our daily life. We have simply contextualised this knowledge by linking our social interactions, to our own unique, tribal roles. Although we may think we have evolved beyond our tribal past, in reality we have only adapted to new situations.

To place these roles into a social context, the words Chief, Warrior, Servant, Mentor and Slave are used because these Characters symbolise definable divisions of behaviour within individuals and cultures. We may behave like a: Chief – organising and controlling others, Warrior – fighting to acquire assets and gain status, Servant – serving others to gain and maintain emotional connection and acceptance or a Mentor – counselling, without prejudice. We may even have experienced feeling like a Slave – powerless. Our own unique personality can be defined as a set of Characters which possess dynamic and organised traits that influence our understanding, motivation and behaviours in various life situations.

The book explores how personal Characters evolve, operate and impact on your life, enabling us to become aware of and to observe our own Characters and those of others. This knowledge gives insight and the ability to make a conscious choice to change behaviour that is not appropriate in the situations we find ourselves.

This psychosocial model, Roles People Play connects the early developmental tribal processes to our behaviours today. It explains the evolutionary mechanism that developed specific patterns of behaviour that were and still are necessary for relationships to be formed and societies to be created.

Roles People Play explains patterns of behaviour and how these patterns influence the social and cultural structures we form and the social status we gain or lose. It also demonstrates how the Characters can work together effectively or destructively.

If we were to place a group of twenty individuals onto an island to observe how they survive, we would see the Characters develop. First, the people would have to assess each individual’s skills and how they could be applied to provide food and shelter. As priorities are identified, roles and status would develop as the group searches for answers to fit survival needs. Individuals would start expressing the Character roles that best suit their personality and/or skills.

A Chief to organise and delegate will emerge Warriors will emerge and take the initiative to gain resources and develop weapons. Servants will offer to prepare food, carry goods and help in general. Some individuals may take on more than one role. If resources are found to be meagre divisions in the group may develop, particularly between leaders and followers. These conditions could bring about subterfuge and/or violence until a stronger leader emerges who will command obedience. Alternatively a Mentor may come to the fore and encourage peaceful negotiation. Once the group has established some form of operational structure, some form of moral code will naturally evolve and a civil society may come into being.

From this example you can see that the nature of a developing society forces individuals to play roles. Every single individual plays a role to survive. The survival of a culture will depend on the way individuals adapt their Characters in an organised way to meet the challenges of the environment.

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